Episode 17
Javi on His Time In NXT and Evolve, Writing His Own Entrance Theme, Metalcore In Wrestling
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Javi, formerly Javier Bernal in WWE NXT and Evolve, and wrestling entrance theme song composer John Kiernan explore the intersection of metalcore music and wrestling, discussing Javi's influences, his journey of self-discovery, and the importance of community in both fields.
They delve into Javi's his time at NXT and Evolve, his experiences with injuries, and how he has crafted a unique persona that resonates with fans. The discussion highlights the power of music and wrestling to connect people and the significance of authenticity in performance. In this engaging conversation,
Javi and John also discuss how he wrote his own entrance theme post-WWE, who some of the names in the music video were (including his wife WWE's Tatum Paxley), and what a dream wrestling card of musicians would be!
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Transcript
hey, it's you again.
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:Welcome to this episode of the Ropes and Riffs podcast.
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:As always, I am your host, Jon, your resident entrance theme song composer.
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:And today I'm very excited for a bunch of reasons to have the one and only Javi on the
show.
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:You may have seen Javi recently on NXT, on Level Up and in Evolve.
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:But the reason I'm excited that Javi's on the show is he just released his own entrance
theme.
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:It's very metalcore and it's very much of that metal.
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:background which as many of you know is something that I hold very near and dear to my
heart as that's a lot of the music that I release and a lot of the music that I love.
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:So in our interview we talk about what went into him releasing his own theme, some of the
best times that he had at NXT and in Evolve and how all of that came to create the
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:character that you see in his most recently released video as well as what you guys are
gonna see from Javi going forward as well.
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:We also talk about a lot of different things in music, in wrestling.
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:And I'm just gonna tell you, if you're a fan of Kill, Switch, Engage, Bullet for My
Valentine, all those kinds of bands, this is an episode for you.
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:If you're a fan of pro wrestling, this is obviously one for you as well.
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:So thank you guys for checking out this episode of the Ropes and Riffs podcast.
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:if this is your first time, or you're a returning guest, first off, welcome back.
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:All right, so you've heard enough from me now.
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:Let's go ahead and get into this awesome conversation with Javi.
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:So listen, before we even hop into this conversation with Javi, we were talking right off
stream before we jumped in that the man is wearing the legendary shirt of Bullet from my
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:Valentine.
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:Bullet is the best, man.
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:So I'm so happy to have a conversation with you and just to see that shirt within the
first second of you popping on screen here.
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:You know, it's funny because half of my wardrobe is just all it's just band tees, you
know, I've got bullet I've got as I lay dying.
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:I've got avenged.
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:I've got all the early 2000s like metalcore, you know, that's like what I The stuff that I
grew up on wanted it, you know, listen to it all that I've got a like the half my closet's
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:just band shirts I figure I you know, I'll go stick I'll rock with bullet today
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:Yeah, me too.
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:I think that when I was starting on guitar and learning music, for me, was like Avenged
Sevenfold.
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:It was Atreyu, all those guys.
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:And I forget if I've told this story on stream before, but when I started playing, I was
like, I'm just going to be a rhythm player because lead is hard and you have to be good at
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:guitar to do that.
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:Right.
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:And so I had learned right side of the bed.
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:I had a band that I was in in high school.
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:And then when I went to college, I was just sitting in my dorm room one day and I was
like, man, that right side of the bed.
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:So it was kind of cool.
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:Like, I don't know, maybe I can do it.
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:And I learned it, it took like a week or two and I was like, oh man, people can play lead
guitar.
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:And then that was it with Atreyu too, ugh.
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:Sinister Gates from event sevenfold is like my big guitar he's like my my guitar idol and
all that and like my parents bought my grandma bought me the the Schecter Avenger model
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:the my parents had brought me the bought me the acoustic the acoustic sin guitar that
actually I used on NXT I Sinister Gates was like my my guy for that sort of thing.
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:So like I'd be watching videos that and bullet obviously I have a He uses a Jackson like
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:So I like you know like obviously my influences and my musical instrument choices you know
are heavily based off of like Venged and Bullet and all those bands.
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:Yeah, Avenged always is like, I feel like if you're a fan of Avenged or you're a fan of
Bullet, but especially Avenged, they've always made it like you're part of like their
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:family.
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:And I remember when I was young, that was actually one of the first guitars that I bought
for myself was an Avenger also, but it was before they started doing like the whole line
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:of like Sinister Gates.
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:And the Avenger model wasn't out for years, but he, guess for Bat Country, he had one, I
forget the story of it, but it was like one of like these older legacy ones that had a
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:pick guard.
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:And was like, totally didn't look super metal.
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:But then they started coming out with the Hellraiser series of it where it was like the
red top and everything.
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:I was like, that's cool.
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:So I played that.
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:And then all of sudden, Sin Gates comes out with the pinstripe one with all of his like
headstock and everything.
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:I'm like, if I would have waited a year.
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:uh
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:mine doesn't have the headstock.
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:Mine is like a Tiger Shark kind of print on the body.
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:So it's not like the Sinister Gates one and it doesn't have the headstock, which I really
wouldn't want.
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:But my acoustic, the one that I used on NXT, that one has the Hellraiser headstock.
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:that's so cool.
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:And I love the fact that now you have this persona of, yeah.
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:Do we even call it a persona?
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:Because again, you're into metalcore.
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:You are the guy who's personifying it.
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:Yeah.
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:So it's not even like, Hey, let's find something to represent.
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:It's like, this is you through and through.
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:Absolutely and honestly
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:It kind of started from like, you know, people would see my NXT and then here in Orlando,
we'd go to concerts and it's like, hobby?
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:You know, like I didn't know that you were, I didn't know you were into this type of, you
know, I'd be going, I'd be seeing bands like Unearth, Necro Galvacan, whatever at the
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:conduit.
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:they'd be like, I don't, had no idea.
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:Like you listen to this music.
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:I'm like, oh, you know, and it's funny because between me and my wife Tatum, you know,
like she was like, people always, when we're out, people recognize you more.
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:think it's, to me,
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:think it's just because I'm like I look like I'm Available for conversation.
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:I don't know what is I have a I have a face for that sort of thing I guess But you know
people's like you're hobby right?
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:I'm like it.
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:Yeah, and he's like you know they and it would happen to me every time I go to a concert
in Orlando and thought well You know like this is these are my people this is
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:what I represent, know, like, and you know, when I got hurt, I'm like, you know, this is
more something I want to do.
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:I was, was thinking of things even before I got hurt, to, to switch things up.
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:But, once I got hurt, I'm like, okay, this kind of helps me kind of reset and, and move on
and do something, do something different, do something that's more myself, you know.
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:I feel like that's how the story goes with a lot of wrestlers, not just with people that
have been in WWE, people outside of WWE, but I feel like in general, unfortunately,
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:sometimes injury happens.
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:At first off, I'm glad to see that the recovery is, you know, going where it is, you know,
we always want the uptick quick and recovery.
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:but I'm, but you you hear a lot of people that they go, when I go away for a little bit or
when injury happens, they kind of sit back and they go, that's really the point where a
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:lot of wrestlers go, okay, cool.
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:Who am I?
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:Like, who do I want to represent?
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:Not what kind of character am I creating, but like, what really resonates with me?
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:And who am I outside of the ring that I can, as they say, turn up to 11?
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:Exactly.
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:And, um, you know what you guys saw on, um, what I was starting with on evolve was kind of
getting there and it's a little different because, know, um, the nice part of, of what I'm
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:going to be doing is that, you know, I have control over it.
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:I have control over our look and not that they told me to look any type of way or anything
like that, but you have to keep in mind that, um, when it comes to WWE, um, the fans in
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:particular, like, you know, you have to,
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:you have to throw it in your face, in their face what kind of character you are.
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:So like, you know, like I wore the eyeliner and I wore the mesh shirts, blah, blah, blah,
all that stuff.
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:And, you know, stuff that maybe like, you know, I don't mind wearing eyeliner and you
know, maybe it'll come back, maybe it won't, I don't know.
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:you know, but like to me, like, I always thought of like who I was going out wearing band
shirts.
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:You know, I always thought about,
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:you know what I think you know, as I lay dying is a perfect example.
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:That's where like a lot of like my mannerisms like would like if I were be on stage, how
would I present myself in between a between M shadows and Tim like like that amalgamation
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:of like, you know, that's how I would hold myself on stage.
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:And then, you know, I that's where it would transition to, you know, in entrance or in the
ring.
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:But like the difference with WWE and then, you know, being
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:free from being on the indies is that...
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:people who get it get it.
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:my gimmick, my person, my persona, whatever, it's not, obviously it's very heavily tied to
metalcore.
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:you know, all that stuff.
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:But I was talking with someone, I kind of, you know, and I was like, I don't mean to be
blasphemous, but I think like metalcore Jesus is kind of how I think of it.
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:Like, you know, like, come to me, my children, if you're if you're bullied, if you're
someone that, you know, is looked at funny because of this, if you if you're, you know, it
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:doesn't have to be metalcore.
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:But like a lot of people do people that like feel that they are not in the in crowd that
are left out.
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:tend to kind of be in that, maybe not Metalcore, but in that alternative genre.
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:And when you're in that alternative genre, you're all kind of like a big family, of.
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:We protect each other.
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:And that's kind of part of, it's a little different than how I was presented on Evolve.
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:And look, to be honest, the Evolve stuff was fun and it was great.
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:And to be honest, the interview that I had and...
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:Direction that I was told it was supposed to go I really enjoyed it but now I can really
like sink my teeth in and I have control over you know, like and that's the thing like
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:with WWE like between WWE and now With WWE like You know, they have this story they they
know what they want I can pitch or not and whatever but with this like if I'm lazy then if
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:I'm lazy now like I don't
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:It's up to me to write my own story at this point.
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:You know what mean?
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:And I mean, you've already gone ahead and written your own theme too.
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:And you've already released the, by the time of this recording, you've already released
the video for it.
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:You've started putting out some promo for it.
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:And I thought it was really cool because first off you reached out to people on your
social media said, Hey, I want to bring in the crowd into here too.
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:By the way, quick over to Tatum real quick.
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:If you ever look at Tatum's Instagram and see the music that she uses too, she loves the
heavy stuff too.
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:So just got to put her over real quick.
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:I remember that she had things where she's like,
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:I'm just muscling up this 405.
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:By the way, here's like this super heavy breakdown.
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:That's great.
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:So shout to Tatum here.
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:think that's kind of where we started connecting was music, to be honest.
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:That's probably where we started connecting.
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:But yeah, yeah, the music video and all that, the story with that is interesting.
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:So I actually wrote that while I was hurt with the intention of WWE using it.
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:When I got hurt, it took a couple months.
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:I'm friends with a local band here in Orlando called The High Ground.
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:And I reached out to their guitar player, Matt Brown, who is a genius at what he does,
because he's very musically gifted.
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:look, my wife asked me this question.
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:She's like, on a scale of 1 in 10, where do you think you're at playing guitar?
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:Do you want to pick it?
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:Whatever.
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:And when you're in WWE, it's kind of hard to focus on some outside passions when you're
trying to all that.
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:I well, you know, like if 10 being like I'm a guitar god and one being like I'm a
beginner, I'd say I'm like a six, right?
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:Like, and that's the thing.
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:I'm pretty, you know, I've been playing guitar for 12 years and I think I'm okay.
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:I don't think I'm great.
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:I don't think I'm bad.
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:But like, you know, like I, I'm able to write riffs, that's where I, my difficulty lies is
writing a song, like, like putting things together.
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:I know how to, I wrote for the song, like I wrote the
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:The opening riff and all that that's not that riffs been stuck in my head for probably ten
years and I was like well It's time to put it in a song and you know, it's very loosely
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:very loosely based off of Excuse me, very loose base off of as I lay dying off of kill
switch engage Avenged sevenfold obviously Bullet, you know, like all my medical brains
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:like that's what it's loosely based off of you know, but like through the song through
struggle bike as I lay dying I'm like, okay that would if I had to pick any song
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:be an entrance theme I would pick that one like any song that's not you know copyright or
whatever I would pick that song because it's just so badass there's a long intro and then
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:you know there's a lot of crowd participation when the riff hits and that's what I wanted
for this song so me and Matt you know I'm like hey this is what I want here's what I got
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:you know I wrote riffs here and there but honestly like you take the reins and you do what
you
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:You know, like you're a good songwriter and all that.
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:So please just help me out and put pieces together.
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:And man, he, you know, I can't thank him enough.
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:He did a wonderful job helping me out there with that there.
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:But yeah, no, I wrote it with the intention of WWE using it.
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:And obviously, obviously they didn't use it.
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:You know, I kept pushing and pushing and pushing.
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:And we have these shows in the, in the performance center called PC lives.
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:A lot of them are for you know, young for the young guns to get, you know reps Sometimes
you do them for people that you know, like are coming back from injury and sometimes
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:they're just matches to get reps like you know, so like Anybody that you've seen on TV has
done a PC live, right or
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:they're just for the audience in there, you're saying?
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:Yeah.
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:literally the performance center like the people in the performance center So like, know,
like my wife might be booked for one and I wouldn't be and I would watch her wrestle You
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:know somebody right?
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:So So like I was like, know, let me run with this.
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:Let me do this and everybody in the performance center just loved it and I was like is
that and I don't think like they knew but they didn't know that they're like Is that is
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:that you and I'm like, yeah, no that is me.
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:Yes.
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:Yes
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:Because I've always, you know, I've been on stage.
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:I'm a trained singer.
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:I play like seven different instruments, all that.
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:But, you of course I pick, you know, the metal chorus, like that's my muse of that sort of
thing, you know?
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:And so like, is that you?
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:Yeah, that's me, you know, I wrote that and all that, you know?
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:And at that point it was just the demo version.
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:I didn't have the fully mixed and mastered version that you heard.
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:So I kept pushing, pushing, like, look, you know, like I'm,
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:I'm ready to sell this to you guys.
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:I don't care about making money off of it.
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:It's my baby, my pet project that I want everybody to hear.
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:I don't care if you guys want to sell it make money, that's fine.
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:I don't need it.
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:Even the guitar player, Matt, who's like, I just want a credit on there.
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:I don't really care about money or anything like that.
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:Sweet.
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:from the office, it's a very hard thing to get past.
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:Like, it's very legal and to be honest, I think certain people get it and certain people
don't.
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:And it's not, like, not in a disparaging way, it's just like, some people do and some
people don't and I couldn't tell you, I couldn't tell you what those reasons are.
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:maybe, you know, I'm sure there's something behind the scenes that I don't know.
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:And maybe some things are library tracks, so, you know, I don't know.
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:Some people get it some people don't and I haven't picked up on that on the pattern of why
a certain person does or doesn't get certain things.
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:So it's not like anything like that.
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:But yeah, no, just, I think for the last match that I wrestled on Evolve, they gave me a
new theme and it was fine.
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:It was a library track and I was happy.
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:I was happy to get rid of the old theme that I had, which was just terrible.
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:It was absolutely awful.
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:Rock the world.
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:Yes.
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:And it's funny because I, uh, my, was, a library track.
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:So my, my theme song was in a steel Panther, uh, vignette video.
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:Like literally it was like a behind the musics, behind the scene type of gimmick where
they're interviewing Michael star.
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:And I just hear Baron Aaron and like, I'm like scrolling through Instagram, like
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:What?
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:Wait a minute.
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:So my video was on a Steel Panther video before, and I'm a big fan of Steel Panther too,
but I'm like, what is going on?
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:uh
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:is now to some degree, Javi has some sort of canonic relationship to Steel Panther.
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:That's what you're saying.
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:I am in Steel Panther, yes.
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:awesome.
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:And I mean, the thing is, though, even if WWE doesn't have the rights to it, you know,
you're taking this initiative, you're creating this character and you're saying, hey, this
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:is what I want to be portrayed like going forward.
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:And even if it doesn't show up on NXT, you now have this piece of music that now you're
going post NXT, this whole rebrand, this whole Cork-Hit hobby and just getting to show
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:everybody, okay, cool, this is what I came up with.
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:This was really me.
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:Like,
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:Not just what you see in the ring, not just what you see in the promos, but even the words
that are coming out of my mouth.
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:Cause again, you sang on that too.
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:You came up with these riffs, you had your guys working on it with you.
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:And it's like, there's such an opportunity nowadays in wrestling to be able to not just
rely on one thing and say, Hey, you know what?
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:I'm going to go out into the world.
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:And now I am that brand.
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:I am that product.
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:I am the vision that I want you to see with it.
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:You know, and it's.
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:It's really cool to see that.
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:So, and also you're in Florida.
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:Florida is like a hot bed for metal, metal core, that.
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:That's the Trivium guys.
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:Like let's just, let's just be real there.
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:So it's so cool.
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:It's funny because if you look at a lot of my early stuff in WWE with like the big body
stuff, like you can tell I was very I'm a big fan of Chris Jericho.
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:And you could see you could see that in my work back then.
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:But even even like now, like, you know, just, you know, that was always such a cool thing
for me was, you know, he had, you know, he had Fozzy.
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:Obviously, he was wrestling.
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:Obviously he he's like written three or four different books.
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:He's an actor He you know was it did a cameo on terrifying like whoa, you know I was like,
wait a minute ah
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:was fairly reminiscent of him too.
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:Like not exactly the light up, but like, I felt like one of the jackets that you would
wear to the ring was something very Chris Jericho-esque like early on too.
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:Yep.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah, that one, to be honest, like, it was, he's a big, big influence of mine between that
and Van Halen too.
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:Like that was like the other, like when I started with the big body stuff, that was like
the inspiration.
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:Cause again, was big into, big into Steel Panther.
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:You know, I love Van Halen and you know, like Metal Core is what I love, but like when I'm
just like, you know, just like.
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:you whenever Van Halen comes out, you I love David Lee Roth, know, so it's, you know, as
you can see, like all my influences kind of were reflected off of how I looked and how
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:like the segments that I did, a lot of those things reflected and now less so in a way,
but you know, I still, know, the part of me that,
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:Still has that you know, like, you know, like I want to be I want to be in a band I want
to wrestle and I want to write these books and I want to be in these TV shows and movie
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:shows and and all that, you know, so like Chris Jericho is really kind of And that way I'm
like man, that's that's that's what I want to do is I want to do all these things I want
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:to be busy, you know, especially because it's like my my home life like Is boring like in
a good way in a very very good way um You know, it's it's me.
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:It's my wife.
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:We don't like to do anything
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:We like to go to concerts and that's about the most of what we do.
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:don't party, don't, you I'm straight Ed, so I'm already boring.
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:And we've got a cat and we recently got a dog.
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:So, you know, that's our life.
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:That's our family, that's what we do here.
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:So for me, my creative outlet is doing everything.
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:And a buddy of mine, I was talking to a buddy mine last night.
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:playing video games and he was just like, dude, just, you know, it just seemed like
nothing, nothing like this last month, like, you know, like you was just taking a lot of
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:work for everything.
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:And then all of a sudden you drop everything and it's insane how much work that you did.
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:and, and that's kind of what metal core kind of is about, especially like the local scene
and all that is very DIY, very, you know, you know, it takes a village, you know, I had
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:help from friends, you know, like obviously the high ground helped me with that.
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:My my buddy James he did the he did my logo for my merch and he also did The album cover
for me actually for the for the song And it just like had all these different All these
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:different friends, you know helping me out and then a lot of it was on me You know, like
I'm over here, you know I gave myself maybe an hour to cry after the phone call and I got
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:to work like it's I'm not someone that
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:good at just sitting around.
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:Even when I do sit around I feel like I gotta do something even if I shouldn't.
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:So that's kind of where things have been.
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:It was maybe kind of quiet.
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:I was trying, I was still active but I was quiet because I wanted to do...
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:there's a lot of things that I want to do.
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:Yeah, and I think that you also share a sentiment both from kind of the hardcore metalcore
scene and even wrestling.
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:And I think anybody can attest to this who's listening or watching this too, a matter of
you get that call and you're just obviously it's like, you know, you have all these
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:different feelings, probably like more than anybody can even assume for anybody that's,
you know, ever experienced something like that.
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:You got to pick yourself back up and do exactly what you do.
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:You know, you just find the next outlet.
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:Okay, great.
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:Here's the situation now.
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:and where am I going with it going forward?
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:And not just with you, but with others that were released at the same time.
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:A lot of you guys do the same thing.
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:A lot of you guys already have the promos up.
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:A lot of you guys already are just doing amazing things.
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:And it's really great to see that in the face of adversity like that, you all are just
like, hey, what's next?
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:What's coming?
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:And there's this identity that you're able to craft off of that.
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:And I guess a question also in...
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:your journey and evolve and NXT and level up and all that.
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:How much of this personality are you bringing to the table saying, hey, this is what I
want to portray as opposed to kind of, cool.
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:Like this is what you say you want, but this is where we know that we want to have you
slotted in.
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:So I will say like they you know for a lot of this stuff on Evolve like I loved the I so
you know for anybody that maybe didn't watch or was not aware so you know when Evolve
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:first started you know it was like my first back first like matches back and on TV and
anything and you know I wanted to do this thing where like
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:And if you read the lyrics of the song, it's kind of the same thing.
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:Very, very much, very, very events, very as I lay dying, know, very a window to the soul
type of thing, you know, and I wanted to be very vulnerable, you know, especially my
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:was an arrogant, arrogant prick.
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:was, was an arrogant, bad person who was full of himself.
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:that wasn't who I was and you know I was still big-body hobby for a number of weeks when I
came back but I was like hey you know I might be big-body hobby but I've changed like I'm
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:not I promise that you know I this that's not who I am anymore and then you know come to
the point we're like maybe that's just not who I am at all and you know very pensive the
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:way I think about is like a born-again Christian or like a recovering
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:addict like because that's that's a big story I think people can relate to is you you
don't you know, you don't want to be defined by your past ever, know, like and even if
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:you're not someone that's ever had really a past like that, but like I mean everybody can
relate to it.
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:Like everybody has that moment in high school.
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:We're like, man, I did something really cringy and I can't stop thinking about it.
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:And you think about it 10 years afterwards, you know, it doesn't matter if you if you've
done anything serious or not, you know, everybody has that experience.
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:And you just want to believe that you're not that person anymore, that you're gonna work
towards not being that person.
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:And I think that was a very, to me, it's a very poetic and beautiful story to tell.
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:moving forward when I got to do the emo stuff, you know, it was very much close to what I
wanna do, you know?
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:And like, the thing is, you know, when you were working with some, with other people, it's
not always gonna be exactly what you want.
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:And that makes sense because, you know,
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:It's not just about me.
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:It's about all these characters in this universe.
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:Wherever, wherever, whether it's WWE, WTNA, wherever, it's all these characters, all these
gimmicks, all these people in a universe.
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:And it's just very much like real life.
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:Like I can't just go somewhere and expect something done.
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:there's a whole dynamic at play.
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:And so for the emo stuff, you know, I will say a good amount of it will be
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:Because it's already kind of intrinsic to what I'm doing um But to be fair now, it's gonna
be more
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:I don't want to say contrived, but less.
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:It's gonna be feel more comfortable for me because I know I know what the scene is and
that's the thing with the creative with creative And it's not it's not a bad thing.
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:It's that everybody has different experiences Between me and anybody that would have been
pitching creative stuff I'm probably the only one that is in the metalcore scene anything
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:that that knows anything about that So when we're talking about writing stuff or doing
stuff, you know It might be a little alien to them and because you know, that's not that's
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:not their stuff.
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:They probably
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:They listen to other things or their interests or other things, you know, and that's
totally okay.
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:So now, you know, now it's, you know, more okay.
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:Like I know what people that are in my scene would relate to and would know.
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:like, that's funny.
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:Or, that's cool.
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:Or, I know what that's from, you know?
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:So I would say a good amount of it for sure.
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:At least as far as the story wise guy still want to tell the story of like, and I
mentioned it earlier, like not to be blasphemous, but like a, a metal cord.
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:Jesus in a way where like, you know, if you're picked on, you're bullied, if you feel left
out, if you feel like you just never ever picked, like I'm your guy, I want to be the guy
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:that, you know, it's like, all well I'm going to represent, you know, like to be
attitudes, blessed are the meek, blessed are the, you know, like that to me is very, very
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:cool stuff.
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:And I feel like that's also something you can pull so much from.
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:There's so much, at least, juice in that idea on what you could do on screen, what you
could do in promos and everything like that.
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:And it's it's right for that too.
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:And being able to pull together a video in the time that you did is awesome.
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:Being able to create your own theme is awesome.
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:With the people that came to your music video, for people listening and people watching,
who would be some interesting people that were in the pit for you?
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:Well, for one, as you guys can see, this is the only tattoo I have.
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:It's my wedding ring with my wife.
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:Me and my wife have one.
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:Me and my, so the tattoo artist that did it for me showed him and his wife came.
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:Those are interesting.
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:I'm trying to...
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:There's a few that I can't particularly give away.
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:Maybe down the line for kayfabe's sake, I guess.
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:But my wife was obviously there.
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:And it's so funny because I did a concert last year with The High Ground.
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:They let me get up on stage and do a song with them.
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:And my wife just stressed, you guys don't talk about this beforehand.
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:And she was, was.
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:like stressed out more than I was fine.
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:It's just me.
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:You just get up and you just do the things.
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:How do you do that?
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:And same thing like with the music videos.
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:He's like, what if it's you?
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:Like, I'm not trying to get in, but like, you know, like I'm not trying to like, you know,
worry or anything.
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:Like, no, no, no, it's okay.
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:Like I've got it.
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:You know, and she's like, I just don't know how you make things happen.
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:And that's something that, you know, that's something that I think has been a story of my
life so far is that
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:I make things happen for myself.
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:I've been put in some very, know, very interesting situations that I feel like, you know,
it's one of those things where I'm like, man, why me a lot of times?
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:But I make things happen for myself.
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:And I don't mean that with an ego, I don't mean that with anything, I just mean that, you
I make things happen and that's something that drives me is like, okay, if I...
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:If this door is open, I'm gonna find a way around it.
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:So, but, you know, go back to my wife, know, he's, you know, it's one of those things
where she's stressed, but it's like, just don't understand, like, you know, it's okay,
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:it'll be okay.
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:But she was there.
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:And I had a couple kids from House of Champions, if you know them, they're down in
Florida, they're at wrestling school down here.
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:But to be honest, I had a bunch of my lovely fans one one of which They flew down they
didn't fly down for the thing that would have been cool But and then they flew down
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:because they were going to vacation at Disney and like oh my gosh, I'm here I got it.
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:I got to come and do this.
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:So like it was like perfect timing for them I have to say, you know, I had a I had you
know, one of the somebody gave me a a drawing and I have it I Have it downstairs
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:I have it here somewhere downstairs and they gave me a drawing and it was like the most
emotional thing to me.
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:It was so beautiful.
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:You know, cause they obviously follow me along through WWE and then they're always on my
streams and whatnot.
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:And it's like a community that I've built.
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:Somebody came up to me, it's like, man, nice.
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:Why don't you know that this, you know, this experience here kind of took away all the
anxiety that I had going on.
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:And to me that's exemplary of like what I that's what I want to do.
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:You know, I want to I want to touch people in a way that Is hard to explain, you know,
because that's that's a hard thing to explain like, know, like you took my you know I I
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:couldn't explain that to you And so like that entire experience, know, like I had a bunch
of fans bunch of friends and all that just come and hang out shout out to grumpies
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:That's the bar that we use and they were they were awesome too because they you know They
weren't gonna charge me anything and I was like, you know, like I don't feel comfortable
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:You know just not helping out in any way, but like, you know, they they weren't gonna
charge they were they were total sweethearts You know, mean, you know, they were very
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:understanding of like what I was going for and very understanding of like this is the
scene It's very DIY and we look out for each other So the yeah
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:I am super blessed with the fans that I have and the fact that they came out and they
showed out means the absolute world to me.
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:And I love that too, the fact that you have such a hodgepodge of people who have come out.
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:know, obviously your wife Tatum, you have some people who eagle-eyed fans will have to
keep a look at if they weren't masked on, ladies and gentlemen.
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:And then also just all the different fans and friends that, you know, were at that too,
because it does show what you talk about all the time.
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:And I think with wrestling and with music, and especially more in like the heavier genres,
and this is something I experienced over my time playing in bands, writing themes, all
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:that, it very much is about
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:Community and you don't realize what that community is, you know This picture that goes
around nowadays, which is like only ten people liked your post only a hundred will picture
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:a hundred people in a room picture ten people in a room, know And you don't really think
about it because it's digital But when you have people that are in that room with you
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:tangibly you're like man someone took time out of their day to give you a photo and You
know, you're just like what is it?
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:That's crazy Like I did something to them and or I did something that made their life at
that moment
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:just feel different in a way that you don't realize.
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:And it's just like, man, it's cool to see.
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:I think, you know, you can think of bands like August Burns Red, Event Sevenfold, all
these guys, and they all talk about that community too.
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:They talked about it before we jumped on stream about like feeling like family.
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:uh For me, when the Rev died, it was one of the biggest things for me.
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:I was like, man, and you know, even people that I was in bands with, friends with at the
time, it's like everyone rallied around the band and...
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:People were just like, that second, the record that came out that I'd ported down at
nightmare of ones like, you know, like people that weren't really part of the fandom were
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:just like, you know, it's not going to do well.
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:it crushes because the music was great, but not just that.
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:It's like, you have this feeling that you're part of something bigger than you.
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:And I think that until you feel that, or until you connect to something like that, or a
part of that, you don't really understand it.
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:then when you are, and when you're in these fields, like music or wrestling, it's just
like.
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:Like they say, when you feel it, you feel it.
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:And when you're part of it, you're part of it.
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:And it's just, it's really cool to see.
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:Yeah, and it like you said it's hard to explain until you've experienced it or when you
know events I saw event sevenfold Excuse me at a festival in 20.
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:I was in college in 2017 2018 And it was it was it was a different experience like I was
front row and you know That was when I was young enough to want to get in the pit and all
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:that
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:Yep.
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:I remember those days.
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:Yeah, I was funny.
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:I was telling my wife.
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:like, you know, even if I wasn't wrestling, I don't know that I would get in the pair.
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:And now I got like a looks fun and all.
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:But but yeah, no, I, you know.
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:saw them and it felt like an otherworldly experience, know, because it's just like, you
know, you're surrounded.
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:I had a bunch of my buddies with me.
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:But then just like people that, you know, like people you don't know will start grabbing
you and start singing in your face with you.
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:And it's really weird because you there's no there's really no other community that you
could do that.
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:You know, like wrestling and rock metal, whatever is like is like.
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:They're very very intertwined in that sense.
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:Very few communities can you do something like that not get punched in the face for it to
be welcomed, you ah It makes, you know, for every hate comment or hater or whatever that I
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:would get, like I have, you know, multitude more of love and dedication.
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:And I, Avenged Sevenfold will always have such a place there and just metal in general.
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:And I still remember I've seen the Avenged Sevenfold a couple of times.
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:And when I was younger, I had seen, what is it?
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:So my Avenged Sevenfold story, cause I think everybody who's a fan has one.
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:I went to this convention called the NAMM show, is if you know, it's, it's awesome.
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:And this was the first year that I was invited to go.
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:was with a company called Godine guitars and
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:My wife and I both went, my wife is also a musician.
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:So we went out there, it was 2012 and in Anaheim, California, we were doing the thing.
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:You know, we're looking at all the gear, talking to the people and we're just like, my
God, like as a musician, you're kind of like, this is the pinnacle of like being part of
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:it.
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:Cause just, I don't know, John Petrucci is walking around and you're like, that's crazy.
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:And he's not like signing autographs right there.
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:He's just like, I'm here to look at my guitars.
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:And I'm like, what is life?
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:This is crazy.
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:Guthrie Govan spilled coffee on my shoe.
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:Sorry for another day, but like we finish up.
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:We're all good.
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:And across the way in Anaheim is Disney World.
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:Whichever one is in Disneyland.
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:Okay, Disneyland is California.
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:Yes.
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:So Disneyland.
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:outside is like the walking around area where they have all the shops and whatever.
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:And we go to Rainforest Cafe, just walking in front of it.
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:And my wife is a big Avenged Sevenfold fan too.
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:She turns around and she's like, is that the guys from Avenged?
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:And I turn around.
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:And I'm probably one of the biggest event sevenfold guys in the world.
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:I'm like, my God, that is shadows and sinister gates literally sitting right there.
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:And it's in the outside with this gate, right?
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:And so they're just, they're just hanging out.
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:And my wife is like the coolest person in the world.
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:And I'm sitting there just like, my God, who is this?
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:And so I turn around and I like, you know, they see us coming and we're cool and
collected, but I walk up to a sinister gates and I'm like, Hey, we're big fans of you
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:guys.
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:is it cool if we grab a picture?
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:couldn't have been any nicer.
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:They're like, yeah, sure.
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:And just talk to us for a second.
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:And the photo that I have, I'll show you in a little bit.
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:The photo that we have is the guys in Event Sevenfold being cool as ever.
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:My wife just smiling, being like, this is awesome.
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:And me holding just like a stupid milkshake, looking like I can't believe this is
happening.
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:Like, this is crazy.
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:And I'm just like, you know, years later, I'm just like, can't, I'm still into them.
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:I still love them.
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:And I'll still always remember that.
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:It's crazy.
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:that's so fun.
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:I you know, I've heard that about Vincent full that they're just good dudes and then you
know There there's someone that I there are people that I would like to meet and you know
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:because of wrestling I have met a lot of like people and fans like, know, I've I was able
to chat with Jess Jesse from from kill switch engage or uh After the day after the music
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:video, I'm not sure if you're familiar with this band, but their band called Necro Gobble
con
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:Yeah, yeah.
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:Goblin on the bit, you know, John Goblin con and all that So I'm friends with the band and
they and I was like, hey, you know This is a while back.
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:I'm like, hey when you're in Orlando I'm know, let's get on stage and do do a bit with you
and you know I I went on and did a prince of the land of stench with them, which is really
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:fun That was what was it yesterday two days ago?
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:and there was another situation because I you know, they didn't it was all kind of on the
fly like I knew what I was doing but I didn't know what exactly and and You know like I
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:was standing next to my wife.
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:I'm like,
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:That's the song and then you know one of their guys like hey if they need you to go out
there now I'm like, okay cool.
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:So they already started and so like my wife by the time she turned around like I wasn't
there she's like And she's like sees me on the stage.
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:But like that entire time.
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:She's like she's like I just get so stressed out I think I just don't know how it's like
you just go you just go and do it like like and it's like that's yeah exactly It's just
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:like I just don't know how you do it I'm like, yeah, you just you know music is kind of
like that where you just kind of you just kind of find your space in it, but you know
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:I've been very blessed and hopefully, if anybody's listening, I'd love to meet a Ven Seven
Fold.
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:I'd to meet them.
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:Who's been your favorite people that you've met through this kind of merge of wrestling
and music?
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:So a random one would be Joey Fatone That's a random one.
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:He was very sweet very kind Being able to talk with Jesse is cool, you know, he's I get to
like like that between kill switch engage and times of grace like that's very yeah,
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:they're their music's great and You know the lyric the lyrical content and this
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:the stories that he tells and you know who he is as a person like Is That's kind of like a
lot of inspiration Like all like the lyrics and all that like they speak to a lot of
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:people So that that's cool.
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:I mean obviously like I mentioned before like Necro Gobble icon like the goblin like
either the entire bit The entire band is is so cool.
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:They're a bunch of nice people
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:Keep on the lookout.
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:I might be doing a stream at some point with Dickie Allen The lead singer But I would say
as far as music at the crossover of music and wrestling those would be the biggest ones I
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:was I'm very very Frustrated or mad.
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:I don't know jealous of my wife because she got to meet, you know John Kramer from saw and
then she got to meet
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:Corey Taylor, but I was wrestling at a house show.
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:So I was wrestling and of course, you know, she got to meet them and like, well, whatever,
whatever, that's cool.
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:But my wife being the absolute sweetheart she is, she got me an autographed picture from
both of them.
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:So, you know, it worked out, it worked out, but I was like, I just wanna meet them, you
know?
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:I know.
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:And Florida is also one of those places where, you know, we talked about it being a hotbed
for metal and things like that.
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:It's also a hotbed for horror.
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:So the fact that you're saying saw and all that it's like, man, they're just like a drive
away at some of these conventions down there too.
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:When I was living in Florida, I was very much going to many of those in my youth.
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:And I was just like, I say youth, I'm 36.
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:I'm still young.
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:You're younger than me.
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:But, but I just loved, I loved being down there, you know, and you brought up a couple of
different things there.
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:And I'm just like, man, being able to.
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:Kill Switch always for me, I'm going to always say something controversial when Kill
Switch comes up, because I love Kill Switch.
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:Probably one of my top three bands all time.
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:Times of Grace too.
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:When that first Times of Grace record came out, I was just like, dude, this is for me,
probably some of the best music that anyone affiliated with Kill Switch Engage came out
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:with.
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:Like, Him of a Broken Man, I heard that, I was like, oh damn, what is this?
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:And then just everything on that record was...
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:The second one was really, really good too, but there was a period in time where I was
just like, if times of grace is what we get post kill switch, you boys here for it.
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:Totally go on it.
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:you're right that first album was absolutely was I I have like pretty I think I have the
whole album saved on one of my playlists Um that times of grace album was great.
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:you know, i'm a big kill switch fan and you know, like You know howard and jesse and like
they're it's so cool that they're both cool.
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:know, because I I listened to a little bit of what howard's doing now.
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:what's the name of the band?
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:Um, he's got
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:He's got scion or skin or however you said, I think it's scion.
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:But okay.
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:No, you know what, it's, no, you know what, you're right, it's Light the Torch.
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:He hasn't, there is another band.
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:I've been listening to a lot of Light the Torch as well.
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:But like, know between Howard and Jesse like they're both like doing the same, know doing
doing their things and it's nice to know like You know regardless of kill switch.
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:There's always you know music that type of music that's going to be out and even the the
guitar player Adam he is working on a record with Howard right now So there's gonna be
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:bass and which is funny because he worked on that record with Jesse for times of grace So
it's like it's like there's gonna be you know
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:There's something for both era of fans, know, of Kill Switch Engage.
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:And then when Times of Grace went on tour, they had some of the members from Killswitch on
there.
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:Like I think Joel was on one of the first tours at Times of Grace did.
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:I'm basically just like, this is one of those things in the scene too, like when you look
at like early metalcore, like Shadows Fall, All That Remains, Killswitch, it's like, these
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:guys sang for this, like Phil was in Shadows Fall before All That Remains.
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:And then this guy did, it's just kind of like everybody in that scene just helps out.
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:And especially if you're so close with like talented musicians like that.
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:Man, when I was a kid,
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:I met Adam D in like the weirdest way too.
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:So I'll be briefed that I got two more questions for you before we leave, if that's cool.
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:But when I was a kid, right before I went to college, um, we had gone to, forget if it was
work tour, was another one of these like festivals.
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:And right before that, my brother for my birthday was giving me like silly gifts.
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:And he gave me this little key chain that was Mr.
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:T and like five different phrases, little orange thing with blue buttons.
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:You'd hit it and be like, I'm going to get you sucker or things like that.
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:And it's just fun stuff.
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:And I.
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:Dude, I couldn't let this thing down.
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:I was like, it's in my pocket everywhere.
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:Killswitchinggauge comes on and I'm just like, I gotta be front row for this.
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:Cause I love Killswitch.
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:Killswitch comes up there.
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:This is like after the curse came out and they were playing like that whole record, which
is banger record.
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:Adam D walks out all six foot eight of this tall son of a bitch, right?
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:He comes out and coming off of his short shorts, hanging off of his belt loop is that same
thing.
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:That same Mr.
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:T thing.
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:And dude, I'm looking at him.
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:And I'm just like, Adam, Adam.
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:And while he's riffing, I forget what song it is, but it's a riff that's like not just
open to where he could do what he's about to do.
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:So he's literally da da da da da da da, looking like, what's that little kid do?
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:And I hold it up.
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:He looks down at his, looks at me, stops playing, just goes, and dude, it was like, my
God.
607
:I was just like, this is crazy.
608
:So like after they got off stage, we went over to the side and I told the security guard,
I'm like, look.
609
:I swear I am not trying to pull what fast one on you.
610
:I have this Mr.
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:T thing and I told him the whole story and he's just like, I'm going to watch you.
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:I'm like, dude, please.
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:Like Adam's right there.
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:Watch it.
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:I don't care.
616
:My buddy and I were there and Adam sees me walking towards him and I hold it up and he
holds his up and he's just like, yeah.
617
:It's so like literally Mr.
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:T and that little plastic thing was just enough to meet kills which engaged that day.
619
:And I was so shocked with how tall he was.
620
:my God.
621
:say, I had no idea he was so tall.
622
:I would never have guessed that he was that tall.
623
:It's crazy.
624
:I'm 6'1", and I have to see if I can find that photo somewhere in the annals of history,
but like, I'm 6'1", and that guy was like, towers on me.
625
:I was like, Jesus Christ, dude.
626
:Yeah, he's a big boy.
627
:I didn't really see it.
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:I like watching concert videos at all times.
629
:I would never have guessed that he's that tall.
630
:You don't think about it.
631
:And then you look at the rest of the band and you're just like, okay, perspective wise.
632
:Yeah.
633
:So it's just like, it's, it's crazy, but I got two more questions for you before you
leave, which is one question I've been asking everybody.
634
:And one is a new question to the show.
635
:we just had Ben Elaron, who just got off the stage with mastodon and you know, we started
talking about it and I was like, man, it's a good question to ask.
636
:Cause I asked him on his show and now I got asked on this show.
637
:So question number one, you got to put together.
638
:a you got to put together a three match card that's full of just musicians doing a
wrestling thing.
639
:What would those be and who would you have as the musicians and what kind of matches?
640
:So these musicians are wrestling, it's not music.
641
:Okay, all right, so three match card.
642
:Okay, well, off rip, I would probably have Corey Taylor and Fred Durst in a hardcore
match.
643
:That's my immediate one.
644
:Let's see.
645
:I guess Shadows from Avenged and...
646
:Let's go with Matt Tuck from Bullet for My Valentine.
647
:um
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:see for this last one.
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:We'll do a battle of the axes here.
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:Let's do...
651
:I know.
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:Okay.
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:In their prime, both Sinister Gates and John Petrucci.
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:Yeah.
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:Battle of the Axes right there.
656
:I love that one too and I love how it's like influence meets influenced in that one.
657
:Exactly exactly Those those that was three right?
658
:Yeah, okay
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:Gates is also shredded to the gills.
660
:So.
661
:weird like I remember one Shadows, like I was in high school and they came out with Hail
to the King and like he came out like he was beefy.
662
:Like he was a big dude and I was like, I don't remember him being so huge.
663
:yeah, back when we, back when they were doing Warped Tour originally and it was sounding
the seventh trumpet and things like that, they were, you know, a little smaller, all
664
:wearing the black and whatever.
665
:was cool.
666
:Then they came out with City of Evil, which to me is my favorite Avenged record of all
time, which that was my high school record, right?
667
:And so when they came out with that, you see the first bunch of pictures and they're all
jacked to the nines.
668
:Shadows is just like singing all ripped.
669
:like, my God, what are we doing?
670
:And then after that same thing, most of the band got ripped on that and it's crazy.
671
:So for me, yeah, it's, I like that Prime, sinister gate.
672
:Mm-mm.
673
:Keaton beefy.
674
:That should be another shirt too in the metal chorus scene.
675
:Keaton beefy.
676
:And then the last question I ask everybody before they come on, the last question I ask
everybody, if you had to choose three songs that represent Javi, either personally or...
677
:wrestling wise what would those three songs be that you put on a spotify playlist to let
people know this is hobby
678
:Through Struggle by Azalea dying.
679
:The End of Heartache by Killswitch Engage.
680
:There's plenty that I want to say.
681
:I would say...
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:It's on the tip of my tongue.
683
:I hear this song in my head.
684
:I'm trying to remember the name of it, which is probably a bad look for this question.
685
:It's always the toughest question I ask everybody.
686
:get to the end of every conversation and people are just like, wish you would have told me
that before.
687
:I'm like, no, it's the spontaneity, man.
688
:That's.
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:tough question.
690
:So it's two events that have been fold songs.
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:One's off the Nightmare record and one's off the Wake in the Fallen record.
692
:I hope I see you tonight.
693
:That's what it is.
694
:I hope I see you tonight.
695
:Yeah, a little deep cut there.
696
:That's awesome, I like that one.
697
:And I'm hoping that everybody who hears us talking and goosing about Avenged Sevenfold
here will go check out.
698
:First off, you should already be checking out the discography, because they're great.
699
:And if you're not, then please go check it out.
700
:And if you're checking out this last record, go check out the earlier records too, because
they are just slammin'.
701
:Man, awesome.
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:no, yeah, love that.
703
:The early stuff is my favorite stuff.
704
:Me too, yeah.
705
:It's like Prime Avenged, I love it.
706
:Javi, thank you so much for hanging out with us today.
707
:It's been number one, probably one of my favorite conversations having just talking all
Metalcore and all that and just seeing, again, all the things that you have going on, the
708
:perspective of what's coming next.
709
:And I know I'm excited for it.
710
:I everybody listening and watching is excited for it.
711
:And you just seem super excited for it.
712
:So, you know, keep up just everything you're doing.
713
:Keep rocking and...
714
:I'm so excited to have had you on the show.
715
:Absolutely man, thank you so much.
716
:It's been a blast talking here and hopefully we get to do this sometime again soon.
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:I really enjoyed it.
